If you fight for animal rights, you fight for the rights of all animals, there are no exceptions for those you think taste good.
Apparently my previous post upset a lot of people. (Justifying Meat Eating – ridiculous things meat-eaters say), even more so than my anti-vegetarian posts or where I point out that eating cheese isn’t actually vegan.
But the comments and insults are the same….
– Cut the vegan-cheese eaters some slack. Cut the meat eaters some slack. You are too militant and give vegans a bad name.
I even had one person say that I am too critical of meat eaters and that makes me a bad vegan. She justified her OPINION saying:
“I fight for animal rights, but I’m no vegan…”
No really, say what? You fight for animal RIGHTS by EATING THEM??? or wearing them??
Did I miss something? How is it that you think consuming any animal product contributes to their rights?
I do not understand how someone who says they believe in animal rights can consume a product that is produced from slavery and torture and murder.
Perhaps they don’t truly believe at all.
Seriously, I do not understand – perhaps someone can explain it to me.
Eggs, consumed by animal loving vegetarians…
Does this look like “animal rights”?
How about dairy production?
What part of this Mercy for Animals video represents the rights of these cows?
Yeah, I can see how some animal rights activists might confuse this for liberation… um, no, I don’t.
Like a vegetarian who sees nothing exploitative with consuming, dairy or eggs or honey (some thoughtful reasons why this is a confusing rationale for a vegetarian to make, here: Why Veganism is a Feminist Issue). There seems to be a disconnect when people say they fight for animal rights, but continue to personally consume their corpses or products from their bodies.
If someone willingly and knowingly consumes any commercial animal product and does not see they horror behind it, they either cannot know where their food (and other consumables) comes from or they know and simply do not care.
As this previous post discusses, Cheese: The Other White Meat (why cheese eaters are problematic for vegans), the problem with cheese / dairy is that there is so much death involved. Similar stories are found in egg production and honey production.
And these are the people I’m not being NICE enough too?
You have got to be kidding me!
If you want someone being NICE about the reason people consume corpses, perhaps a blog called “vegan animal liberation” is not the place to go looking for it.
and, Why is it that VEGANS are always having to modify what they do, so they don’t “offend” those who eat the corpses of slaughtered animals. Ooh careful, don’t want to upset the very people whose selfishness is the direct cause of this exploitation, cruelty, slavery and murder.
Oh, and is it even possible to be too MILITANT when it comes to fighting for justice and liberation for animals, all animals.
Why must I, as a vegan, compromise. (As I am so often told I must)
From a vegan viewpoint, people who say they fight for animal rights, but aren’t yet vegan, make the fight a whole lot harder.
Outsiders who look at these people see them eating animal products or wearing animal products, may think that it is acceptable.
This is a common complaint that vegans, and in particular abolitionist vegans make against groups like PETA. When PETA campaigns for larger cages for the chickens used by companies like McDonalds or KFC, the message that non-vegans get is that animal rights activists think that there is an acceptable size of the cages. A concept that Gary Francione has called “New Welfarism”.
These welfarist campaigners are a worse than people who do nothing, that just make it a lot harder for real animal rights changes. (Imagine it from the other side – the meat producers say “what? you want no cages? no meat? no eggs? only last week, you said that if we increased our cages by an inch, you would consider that a victory”… such as the ludicrous demands from PETA to Sonic that “The company just agreed to begin purchasing eggs and to double the amount of meat it purchases from suppliers that use less cruel production methods.”)
I’m not laughing.
Although, I do appreciate what they do, I appreciate that they can contribute to fight, and I accept that meat eaters can do a lot, I don’t understand how they can say what they are fighting for is animal rights, but rather “animal welfare”.
So, all that remains is for me to ask these people – if you know all that know, why are you not vegan?
Personally, I don’t believe it is possible to fight for animal RIGHTS and not be vegan.
This is not about being militant, it is about the suffering and cruelty and exploitation of the animals.
Some people may take offense to this, thinking that I am saying what they do is not good enough. I am just trying to add another side to the debate, and like this post The Dreaded Vegan Discussion… Critical Thoughts Encouraged… shows – the vegan community is large and diverse and all voices are (should be) encouraged.
If you are a vegetarian, and would like to be vegan, my question for you is… what are you waiting for?
Vegetarians know the reality of where there food comes from – or rather WHO their food use to be, and it does not seem to bother them.
A lot of vegans, probably have at some point meet someone who says that they are “almost vegan” or “90% vegan – except for cheese”, or,
They may say something like – “oh I could Never be vegan, I love cheese too much” or maybe they do actually call themselves Vegan, yet has an occasional slip up, if they are at a party, and someone offers them some cheese, then they might “cheat” on their vegan diet
I met a “vegan” recently, who lectured me about how I was a “fake vegan” because I didn’t hate on ALF – animal liberation front – yet, this same person didn’t know that their morning protein shake made with whey wasn’t actually vegan.
Oh how I laughed!
Dairy is not benign, dairy involves huge amounts of cruelty and exploitation and DEATH.
And then these cheese-eaters pat themselves on the back, thinking that Vegan is just a different form of Vegetarian. I mean, we all love animals, right? It’s not like the animal has to DIE or anything, right?
Oh, but I never buy cheese myself! they protest. If someone offers it to me, or there is a pizza, or I’m hungry, or [insert excuse here]. That would be like someone saying “oh but I don’t smoke, I never buy cigarettes myself, I mean, if someone offers me one, or I get them off a friend when I’m at the pub after a late night, but, no, I’m not a smoker or anything”.
How is this any different? Just because you don’t buy it, does that mean it stops being cheese?
Here is my opinion… You know those old sayings “Milk – is liquid Meat” or “There is veal floating invisibly in every bottle of milk” or “Meat is murder, milk is rape” … vegans (by that I mean actual vegans, not faux cheeseatarian vegans) chose to not consume dairy in all its forms, because…
nothing could taste so good that it justifies rape and torture and slavery and murder.
That is what it comes down to:
If you consume dairy this is what you support
This PeTA video, shows the reality of the Land O’ Lakes dairy factory in Pennsylvania USA.
This is not an exception.
And don’t kid yourself – if you consume dairy products, and you haven’t personally met the cow, there is a very good chance that what you are eating came from cows just like this portrayed in the video.
And just why is that cow generously giving us her milk? Well she isn’t. Milk is meant for baby cows… it is baby food, for HER babies.
Like any mammal, she produces milk only to feed her babies.
Which means, she is forced to become pregnant against her will in order to create the baby that will get her body producing the milk.
And if people are stealing her milk (the cow doesn’t GIVE away anything), then there are babies out there, that are not drinking it.
So, what happens to those baby cows, which are surplus to requirements – if they survive the high infant mortality rate, they get sold into slavery, and become either milk cows or veal calves or pet food.
Pet food? Seriously, imagine telling that to a baby – your life is nothing, you are worth more to me dead.
or, Some may be shipped off to cosmetics companies to be turned into face creams or diet pills, because in some markets, it is illegal to use cows that are older than 30-months old in order to reduce the risk of spreading Mad Cow Disease (BSE – bovine spongiform encephalopathy).
Beauty products that are stuffed full with animal products are not beautiful. Nope, I do not want to be slapping dead calf on my face.
And this is a side effect of societies cheese-addiction.
Not much of a life, is it?
Then, what happens when the dairy cow gets too old?
After years of slavery, of being treated like a machine….
Cows that have been bred for maximum milk production, are unable to sustain the weight of their udders, which may be infected with mastitis, then what?
Is there a pension plan, and she goes off to a farm in the country to wander the hills and pastures and frolic in the clover… hell no, if she survives a couple of years of relentless torture in the dairy factory, she is shipped off to slaughter as soon as the milk production begins to slow up.
Thanks for the all milk, my dear, and don’t let the barn door hit you on the way out.
And then there is RENNET
Unless the label states “non animal rennet” – that cheese the vegan is eating, it isn’t even vegetarian.
Rennet is an enzyme used in cheese making, that is naturally present in the stomach of calves in order to digest the milk they are drinking.
Animal Rennet is taken from the lining of calves stomachs, and is often a by-product of the veal industry.
So when Vegetarians justify their continued animal consumption because “the animal doesn’t have to die”, What exactly do they mean? The baby cows that don’t survive to adulthood, the veal calves, the petfood calves or the cosmetics calves, the sick and dying milk cows, the retired cows who are sent to slaughter at 4 or 5 years old instead of well into their 20s which is the natural life expectancy of a cow.
This isn’t even going to go near the substances actually in the milk – pus, blood, leukemia cells, bovine growth hormone, anti-biotics, pesticides, herbicides, possibility of BSE prions, excessive amounts of protein and lots and lots of saturated fat.
Cheese eaters – what is the difference between that and eating meat for all the misery the production of milk entails.
And don’t get me started on vegans who eat HONEY……
IVU: What’s wrong with dairy products?
Describing Some of the things wrong with dairy.
Vegina >> dairy is a feminist issue.
A look at dairy from a feminist perspective
NEGOTIATION IS OVER – Conklin’s Sadism
Yet another example of what is standard business practice for dairy, at an Ohio dairy factory.
“Jack LaLanne Said We Don’t Need Meat And Dairy” (vegetarianstar.com)
Del and RedGlitter
EDITTED TO ADD: There had been a MFA (Mercy for Animals) video in this piece, somehow it has been removed, and the link has been removed, without my knowledge. Even the text surrounding the video.
Is wordpress censoring vegan blogs now?
The Myth of Humane Meat
A video I created, not just uploaded to YT.
Former vegans and vegetarians use the concept of humane meat and welfare standards to continue to consume animals. The word animal by-product to describe milk and eggs is shown to also contribute to cruelty and exploitation. Features extreme graphic images of how animals become food. People who eat meat are entitled to know who their food used to be.
Taking one food as an example – the classic burger, this clip shows that for animals, it is not humane.
Music: Knocking On Heaven’s Door – Cold Chisel
Vodpod videos no longer available.
“Icecream is nonpatriarchal. Ice cream, frozen yogurt, milk-shakes– every dairy product we can think of is the exclusive product of females. So, okay, they’re cows… But eating this stuff can be a political act that neatly unities feminist principles with a love of animals… Fuck the vegans, I say. Anyone who doesn’t eat ice cream for purely “ethical” reasons is a killjoy and a moron and ultimately not to be trusted. Pro-ice cream is pro-woman”
Kiss My Tiara: How to Rule the World as a SmartMouth Goddess – Sarah Jane Gilman, p25
Dairy is very much a feminist issue
From the treatment of the female animals enslaved to produce it, to the women consumers of this product, and the way it is sold to mothers by playing on their guilt to overdose their children on dairy.
Which, I think has to be seriously, one of the most moronic statements I have ever seen in print regarding dairy and feminism. The SINGLE most effective thing that got me to go from vegetarian to vegan was the two sayings “There is veal invisibly floating in every glass of milk” and “Meat is Murder, Milk is Rape”, and if anyone looks at where milk comes from, and the conditions of the cows, there is no way they could claim it to be a feminist act. And if this author saw the condition of dairy cows, there is no way she could claim to love animals.
Quite apart from the fact, that unless the person gets their milk from a farmer who they know, and who happens to be female, milk isn’t the “product of females” it is the product of large corporations, with a board of directors most likely made up almost exclusively of men, whose first priority is to make money. It is not your health and it is not the welfare of the cows or the consumers. No. They will do whatever it takes to make as much money as possible.
Cows, like all mammals (including people), produce milk to feed their babies, so in order for the cow to produce milk, she has to have a baby. In order to get the cow pregnant, she is continuously raped (sex without consent). And, because the milk corporations do not want to share that milk with a calf, the babies are removed from their mothers, the females to become dairy cows and the males to become veal.
And regardless whether that dairy is organic, or factory farm, the male babies are surplus to requirements, and sent to packing plants (“slaughterhouse”). Because no farmer (few if any), no matter how much they claim to love their animals would spend the money to raise and animal that is unable to make profit.
So, what part of being raped, and having your baby stolen and slaughters sounds feminist?
How does rape and slaughter of babies promote the sisterhood?
The body leeches calcium out of bones to the blood stream in order to neutralise excessive protein. Where does protein come from – animal products. So milk is sold to women as a cure for a disease that has a devastating effect on women more than men, especially post menopausal women – that being osteoporosis. Yet, too many animal products can be a large contributor to the osteoporosis. But do large corporations care about womens’ health? It doesn’t seem that way, not as long as they are selling a product to women whose only nutritional information comes from dairy and meat industry propaganda.
It’s not about whether people and animals are the same, but are their Rights the same. Any living thing is as entitled to the most basic right of all, the right to live a life, especially without suffering.
Dairy is the very essence of imposing of patriarchal values – if you want it, take it.
So, GOT MILK? Got rape, veal, cruelty, suffering, apathy, patriarchy, damaged health, animal cruelty, toxic environment, disease and death?
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